The son left a note on his father's pillow that read:
Dear Father,
We are both blind. You don't always see how much I have done for you and I don't always see how much you taught me. But you think that I took the Tablets and I just threw them to the ground. That's not what happened. They were too heavy and they simply dropped from my hands.
~Off the Derech by Faranak Margolese, Page 133
13 comments:
Im only on page 70.
How did you like the book?
It's a very good and informative book for both students and educators. I am happy it was written. For me, it was mostly review, but for others, it was quite enlightening.
As long as you understand that it's really a book of anecdotes and the author's extrapolation based on interpretation of anecdotal evidence, it's an interesting read.
KT
Joel Rich
Joel,
Just curious, even given all those factors, did you disagree with it? As in, why the need to read it with those factors in mind; do you feel that they undermine the truth of her observations?
Chana, have you ever read The Yeshiva by Chaim Grade (http://www.amazon.com/Yeshiva-Volumes-II-Chaim-Grade/dp/0932232051/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1240521857&sr=11-1)?
Chana, its a well worth read (so far). I mean, the story she tells from her interviews are ones all of us repeatedly hear. She gives great insights on the proper way to deal with something, and flat out stupid way.
I've read most of the book, and then put it down. Most of the conclusions she brings down there are logical and well thought out. However, I feel that vast majority of her interviewees' problems come from a very black hat teachers and parents who care more about person's appearance than substance. Thus, I feel that her comments and suggestions will fall on deaf ears, because the people that cause people to go off the derech won't listen to them anyway.
Talmid,
Yes, I have read The Yeshiva and recommended it to most everyone I know. The first time I read it, I hated Tzemach Atlas and empathized with Chaikl. I read it again, and I came to sympathize with Tzemach Atlas. Obviously, my favorite character is the Chazon Ish.
Holy Hyrax,
Glad you are enjoying.
COJ,
I hear that completely, but with any luck, presented in this way, it will have an effect because the precise people whom such familes respect are quoted offering good advice that could help.
Just curious, even given all those factors, did you disagree with it? As in, why the need to read it with those factors in mind; do you feel that they undermine the truth of her observations?
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1. Self selecting web survey data has little scientific value
2. We all have our narratives and tend to select observations/anecdotes that prove our points(often subconciously) - thus some charedim point to MO-lite and say -see MO is not serious, some MO point to charedim who cheat in business and say - see charedim aren't really frum....
w/o real data it's all a guessing game (maybe people go off the derech because they're hard wired to and it wouldn't make a difference if they lived w/ R'YBS/R'Moshe/the chofetz chaim.....) and maybe if her suggestions were adopted those they are directed at would not go otd but many others would.....
KT
Joel Rich
It was a nice surprise to see two of my favorite books mentioned in one thread: The Yeshiva and Off the Derech.
I discovered that the tablets were fraudulent and just put them aside. Now I'm trying to point out that fact to others, for unclear reasons.
This quote you brought really got me thinking. I wrote up a bit about the topic at the below link (more tomorrow): http://dixieyid.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-can-we-prevent-our-kids-from.html
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