tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post8881312005155215667..comments2024-03-18T03:40:39.185-04:00Comments on The Curious Jew: History of the Jews' Creative Torah-Derived LiteratureChanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17655144434904957767noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-35404208701144632672010-01-22T12:47:03.476-05:002010-01-22T12:47:03.476-05:00Anon January 22, 2010 9:10 AM said:
"This is...Anon January 22, 2010 9:10 AM said:<br /><br />"This is just the beginning really basic overview before we get to all the complicated good stuff."<br /><br />a bad foundation will lead to a dangerous building. your summary is so wrought with mistakes i dont know where to begin.<br /><br />Hey Anon, why don't you begin somewhere and share YOUR knowledge with us? Negative comments like the one you made get the us nowhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-69056352264517561342010-01-22T10:32:56.426-05:002010-01-22T10:32:56.426-05:00For starters, over thirty-plus years, it's bec...For starters, over thirty-plus years, it's become widely accepted that the Talmud was put together after the close of the Amoraic period by a group of scholars called the Stammaim. While the Amoraim are the figures cited in the Talmud, the interstitial statements that comprise the bulk of the Talmudic discourse and the actual redaction of the Talmud, were the work of this post Amoraic groupzadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-74793387484335114482010-01-22T09:10:39.193-05:002010-01-22T09:10:39.193-05:00"This is just the beginning really basic over..."This is just the beginning really basic overview before we get to all the complicated good stuff."<br /><br />a bad foundation will lead to a dangerous building. your summary is so wrought with mistakes i dont know where to begin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-73084075424184298552010-01-22T08:36:48.325-05:002010-01-22T08:36:48.325-05:00Thanks. BTW I once heard R' halivni started do...Thanks. BTW I once heard R' halivni started down this path because of chasurei mechsera vhachi katani seeming stained.<br /><br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-57397851338346293252010-01-22T08:04:44.981-05:002010-01-22T08:04:44.981-05:00For one thing, that is a very unacademic approach ...For one thing, that is a very unacademic approach to things. But to answer Joel's specific question, it completely ignores scholarship such as that by R. David Weiss Halivni, summarized neatly here: http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2010/01/20/david-weiss-halivni-on-the-talmud/anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-49890744935096255522010-01-21T16:44:15.761-05:002010-01-21T16:44:15.761-05:00"We need people to contribute, not to inform...."We need people to contribute, not to inform. To have something original. We are lacking this."<br /><br />That's why you're in Revel, Chana. You're a writer with a commitment to the mesorah/tradition. Your doctoral dissertation is eagerly awaited.Shira Salamonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989302669175887512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-26264546076423783332010-01-21T16:36:08.196-05:002010-01-21T16:36:08.196-05:00Okay, everybody chill. This is just the beginning ...Okay, everybody chill. This is just the beginning really basic overview before we get to all the complicated good stuff. Huzzah that.Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17655144434904957767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-55693131070893644202010-01-21T15:08:33.934-05:002010-01-21T15:08:33.934-05:00"Alas, today people are not creative anymore;..."Alas, today people are not creative anymore; they're just encyclopedic. It's all Kol Bo. Since the 2nd World War, creativity is going down- I'm not referring to literature.... We need people to contribute, not to inform. To have something original. We are lacking this."<br /><br />R. Chaim Brisker seems to disagree with this:<br /><br />"Reb Chaim Brisker, the most innovative Talmudic thinker of the last 150 years, once defined a chiddush in learning as achieving a proper understanding of the Rishonim." <br /><br />http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/1119/rabbi-angels-lamentShades of Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029177164921795725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-32731444170337542562010-01-21T10:13:47.214-05:002010-01-21T10:13:47.214-05:00Everyone,relax, the new semester just started and...Everyone,relax, the new semester just started and the basic building concepts Chana described so clearly here are necessary in order to progress in the class further. Sheesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-64334222418163211142010-01-21T10:03:40.627-05:002010-01-21T10:03:40.627-05:00I was also surprised to see R' Sherira quoted ...I was also surprised to see R' Sherira quoted as a source regarding the Savoraim. Though I am no expert in the field, I know that the historical veracity of his account of TSBP is very much in question (in other words, pretty much discounted by academics). I agree with Shai--if this is the only opinion being taught, I am somewhat appalled.laymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-85899017654703049622010-01-21T09:18:31.097-05:002010-01-21T09:18:31.097-05:00Shai,
Can you summarize the major themes of the ne...Shai,<br />Can you summarize the major themes of the new school approach ?<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-21568051277947637682010-01-21T08:56:56.978-05:002010-01-21T08:56:56.978-05:00That account is so old school that it's hard t...That account is so old school that it's hard to believe it's being taught in a graduate school of academic Jewish studies. I would hope that there would be at least some engagement with what others have written in the field (in the last 35 or so years), even if he chooses to disagree.Shaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06080086674500993959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-47373008268185137162010-01-21T08:32:23.730-05:002010-01-21T08:32:23.730-05:00also why iiuc is there no creative fiction literat...also why iiuc is there no creative fiction literature?<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-14130018295251512542010-01-21T05:25:30.918-05:002010-01-21T05:25:30.918-05:00was it mentioned that this general approach of &qu...was it mentioned that this general approach of "creativity" (vs. mesorah) is the subject of debate?<br /><br />as a side issue - how do you explain"When you learn Mishna, the pasuk does not play a role in the Mishnayos. It doesn't say 'she'neemar' (or when it does, the percentage of 'sheneemars' is very low)." - was someone ahead of theit time?<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-52202218457195189682010-01-21T01:22:13.269-05:002010-01-21T01:22:13.269-05:00I know I said I'd have to wait to read this un...I know I said I'd have to wait to read this until tomorrow - well, it IS tomorrow. This is SO fascinating - I've never heard/read anyone explain this in such a systematic and clear (not to mention engaging as well as interesting fashion). This kind of makes me want to go to Revel...Shades of Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733139852424935591noreply@blogger.com