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I thin...Chana, very good and well thought out post. I think you did a good job expressing how horrible we all felt about this article.<BR/><BR/>I see Mr. Feldman as a resentful, hate filled individual, more closer to evil than anything.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if it was mentioned that he was also a pro bono lawyer for a group of residents of Tenafly who wanted to prevent an Eiruv from being constructed.<BR/><BR/>At the time, he used his Yeshiva background in equally insiduous ways, showing a fact here and there, but displaying his hatred of his past.<BR/><BR/>He would be wise to get therapy. He had nothing better to do than to willfully trash a whole mass of people.<BR/><BR/>It would not surprise me if he has a substance abuse problem.Frum Jew in Recoveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13243201026489198513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-66046647414026643532007-08-06T21:30:00.000-04:002007-08-06T21:30:00.000-04:00Noah Feldman's inflammatory article unleashed two ...Noah Feldman's inflammatory article unleashed two weeks of debate within and about modern orthodoxy. <BR/><BR/>Not only was the article poorl argued--lumping tefillin with Oped Dei accoutrements and pulling in Yigdal Amir and Baruch Goldstein as representative examples of the movement, the social slight that justified the article--his being cropped from a class photo because he had a non-Jewish fiance--was a fabrication. <BR/><BR/>As Feldman admitted in the Jewish Week, he knew two weeks in advance of the article's publication that many photos were taken at his reunion, none of which captured all the students. The one that appeared didn't have Feldman and his wife to be, but it also excluded fourteen other people as well. <BR/><BR/>One would expect a Harvard Law professor to be more careful with the facts and less loose with prejudicial innuendo that is patently false.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-23436969908291447782007-08-05T12:37:00.000-04:002007-08-05T12:37:00.000-04:00Is it racism? You tell me.I am a Caucasian Europea...Is it racism? You tell me.<BR/>I am a Caucasian European with both Western and Eastern European ancestry. I frequently find myself in discussions with my husband's distant relatives at family gatherings, and they assume I am Jewish. This caused one fellow to turn bright red after he let me in on some his prejudices and I told him the truth about myself rather than to let him get in deeper.<BR/><BR/>The fact that both of us blush makes us look a little different from the Palestinians. It would argue that his blond hair and blue eyes came from somewhere where I got my red hair and blue eyes. The "raped by Cossacks" excuse won't wash with me.<BR/><BR/>Yes, there is change afoot, and racism against Asians is practiced by the most smug Jews. I know a woman who is about 80 and she refuses to see her Chinese daughter-in-law or the son who married her. Yet she is cordial with me. Why? Because I look like I belong in the group and it easy to forget that I was held over a baptismal font rather than taken to a naming ceremony when I was one week old. Furthermore, genetic testing reveals that I am no different from many Jewish women.<BR/><BR/>That friends is what is going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-46267933518564114772007-08-03T19:45:00.000-04:002007-08-03T19:45:00.000-04:00Regarding gays, equating disapproval of a homosexu...Regarding gays, equating disapproval of a homosexual lifestyle with gay bashing or the incitement of hate crimes against gays is sheer nonsense. <BR/> Suddenly no one can have an opinion anymore but the atheists, or those that promote a "liberal" agenda. Disagree with liberals or atheists, suddenly your "intolerant."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-25722735171723284192007-08-03T19:22:00.000-04:002007-08-03T19:22:00.000-04:00"Have you seen the Jewish Week article today - Noa..."Have you seen the Jewish Week article today - Noah admitted that he knew before publication that he was not intentionally cropped out of the reunion picture; other classmates were also cropped out because the photographer couldn't fit everyone in the frame."<BR/><BR/>This speaks volumes about his character, as well as the characters of those who will persist in supporting him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-17874938446507346412007-08-03T19:20:00.000-04:002007-08-03T19:20:00.000-04:00The notion that Feldman should be cut some slack b...The notion that Feldman should be cut some slack because this is just an opinion piece is absurd. He knows the extent of readership of the Times, and should be held to a rigorous standard of truth. This is all the more the case if he's going to incite enmity against an entire group of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-41528477287839285932007-08-03T00:05:00.000-04:002007-08-03T00:05:00.000-04:00Have you seen the Jewish Week article today - Noah...Have you seen the Jewish Week article today - Noah admitted that he knew before publication that he was not intentionally cropped out of the reunion picture; other classmates were also cropped out because the photographer couldn't fit everyone in the frame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-42931082324155684172007-08-01T13:35:00.000-04:002007-08-01T13:35:00.000-04:00A couple of comments - much belated. 1. My daugh...A couple of comments - much belated. <BR/><BR/>1. My daughter goes to Maimonides. During the course of the year, the partner of one of the teachers died. In the weekly newsletter, the school expressed its condolences to the teacher on the loss of her partner. Hardly the response expected from an anti-gay institution.<BR/><BR/>2. Extrapolating from Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir to a broader indictment of modern Orthodoxy is curious behaviour from someone who has devoted so much of his career to cautioning the public against extrapolating from terror-Islamists to a broader indictment of Muslims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-179323074084052662007-07-30T13:50:00.000-04:002007-07-30T13:50:00.000-04:00From JEWISH WEEKUnfair argumentsAs for Feldman’s a...From JEWISH WEEK<BR/><BR/>Unfair arguments<BR/><BR/>As for Feldman’s arguments, insisting that Maimonides himself, the 12th century rabbinic scholar and philosopher, believed that knowing the world was the best way to know God, he ignores the fact that it was Maimonides who codified Jewish law, established the 13 principles of faith and insisted on adherence to halacha, or Jewish law.<BR/><BR/>Feldman then goes on at some length to cite Jewish law’s tensions over violating the Sabbath to save the life of a non-Jew. But he fails to mention that the dispute is Talmudic, not practical; no Modern Orthodox doctor would hesitate to treat a non-Jew on the Sabbath.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps most upsetting, and unjust, the only allegedly Modern Orthodox Jews Feldman describes in his essay besides Sen. Joseph Lieberman are Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzchak Rabin, and Baruch Goldstein, the American-born physician who murdered 29 Arabs in Hebron in 1994. The two are cited as examples of men who took Jewish imperatives to their logical conclusion by committing murder.<BR/><BR/>“That’s like judging the peacock by its feces,” noted Rabbi Saul Berman, a scholar and former head of Edah, an organization that promoted Modern Orthodox values.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, no serious Modern Orthodox Jew is unaware of the tensions between upholding the Torah law and recognizing the values and benefits of Western democratic ideals. Rabbi Berman credits Feldman with pointing out the need to explore such tensions, which when unrecognized or out of balance can produce an Amir of Goldstein, “but it’s not fair to judge the system” by such aberrations, he maintains.<BR/><BR/>Psychic pains<BR/><BR/>In the end, Feldman’s essay is less about modern Orthodoxy than about his own psychic pain over being rejected. He wants it all: to be embraced if not applauded by the Jewish community whose values he has discarded by marrying out.<BR/><BR/>As Rabbi Jacob J. Schacter, senior scholar at Yeshiva University’s Center for the Jewish Future, noted in a letter sent to The Times, “fealty to Jewish tradition requires more than a ‘mind-set’ expressing ‘respect and love’ for its teachings; it presupposes certain fundamental normative behaviors. America is a country of choices, but choices have consequences and not every choice is equal. It is unrealistic for Mr. Feldman to expect to maintain good standing in a community whose core foundational behavioral -- as well as value -- system he has chosen to reject.”<BR/><BR/>Judaism is not alone in this attitude. Witness, for example, the Catholic Church’s discomfort with former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a divorced Catholic who favors abortion rights, or any religious faith’s attitudes toward members who publicly violate its tenets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12970718.post-28222793263608985702007-07-26T14:17:00.000-04:002007-07-26T14:17:00.000-04:00chana:i chanced upon your blog, looking to find a ...chana:<BR/>i chanced upon your blog, looking to find a new voice on the feldman article--and your talmudic parsing of various points was perfection. I wish you could spend even more time parsing every sentence and explaining its disingenuous nature.<BR/><BR/>This is what i wrote in another blog, in a similar vein. <BR/><BR/><BR/>i hate being the guy wading in towards the end of an extensive debate to pick off the mixed metaphored low-hanging fruit but, what the hey:<BR/><BR/>1) the point/purpose of feldman's piece was not his anguished cri de couer, his feelings of exclusion, his analysis of modern orthodoxy etc... <BR/>-it was simply another half-baked essay to include in his 'publications' section of his resume/ a way to keep his name 'out there'. publish or perish applies to non-scholarly papers as well, if you are a media hound. and as others have mentioned, judging by the dated material, it is reasonable to assume that he dug this up out of his non-accepted submission file circa 1996 to fulfil his nyt mag contract requirements.<BR/><BR/>2) the arguments against his piece shouldn't stem from his actions: i.e. marrying a non jewish woman, airing jewish 'dirty laundry' in public etc...<BR/>-the arguments should center around his sloppy reasoning and jayson blair like b.s.<BR/>i.e. his absurd claims that he knows the 'better part of the hebrew bible by heart', his dramatically ironic praise for the (non-violent?) purim megilla, his shocked!, shocked! reaction to goldstein's headstone not stating 'there lies a mass murderer', and a host of other little inaccuracies and disingenuous comments that add together to another typical NYTimes unfact-checked, unedited drivel.<BR/><BR/>3) the same shoddy reasoning and fact presentation that marred this piece certainly mar the rest of his work as well. (see any of his other NYT articles) Can anyone reading this crap believe that the constitution he (may) have drafted for Iraq was not similarly flawed? or are we to believe that his understanding of the Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish people was more nuanced than his understanding of his own M.O. group?<BR/><BR/>4) accumulating degrees is no substitute for a deep understanding of an issue and resulting novel propositions. any bright hack from maimonides (whose parents teach at harvard?) can get into harvard, and do well in that grade-inflated zoo, taking courses which heavily replicate work he's already done in yeshiva. <BR/>the doctorate in islamic thought at oxford isn't too much of a stretch either---gee, i wonder if his thesis was on something like the comparative halachic and sharia treatment of something like ribbit.<BR/>and law school is law school...anyone with a bit of ability to learn gemara can do fine.<BR/><BR/>5) the absurd anti-intellectual strain of American public life has an interesting result: 99% of america leave it to 'eggheads' to do the heavy thinking. And they decide who the eggheads are based on institutions attended and degrees received. this excuses any actual analysis of the accuracy and logic of ideas.<BR/><BR/>6) the brow beating over intermarriage misses the point.<BR/>It is simply a numbers game! I doubt Feldman got to know over 100 modern orthodox women his age group in his entire dating life. The numbers are stacked against the M.O. 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I'm not here to comment on that. I agree that it's a painful issue that we as a community are still working out, individually and collective. <BR/><BR/>However, the insidious suggestion that because MO is not "open" to certain populations we also condone murder, violence and terrorism is outragious, misleading, immoral, and self-serving. It's one thing to air a personal grievance (though Feldman had to know what the institutional response--right or wrong--to his intermarriage would be), but another altogether to claim that because a community distinguishes between group members and non-group members, that community is automatically implicated in homicidal fanaticism. <BR/><BR/>At least as I have understood and lived it, MO's whole point is to to avoid radicalization, and rather to remain in complex relation to a variety of sometimes competing values. 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